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}TCP{Wolf wrote:You spend all that dough on a high end machine and take an ASRock board :?
Asrock in the past wasn't that good, but nowedays their motherboards are of good quality. Read alot of reviews on this board and it doesn't underperform to the more expensive MB's like Asus or etc.

Besides it has all the features that I need and is cheap. Why pay for a 200 euros MB when it does the same for me with a 100 euro MB? I don't need Crossfire and it has USB3. Overclocking is done by increasing the multiplier of the cpu and not by increasing the FSB, so again no need for a high end MB cos its wasted money :P
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I was more concerned about stability and longevity. I keep forgetting these characteristics are ignored by most people as they replace their main machine every couple of years.

Admittedly I do not know how today's ASRock board perform and how good their overall quality is, my judgment was biased by past experience here, where ASRock boards used to last only a year or two sometimes... I hope these days are long over ;)
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i dont think they can afford to be in the market with that low quality boards anymore. to much competition nowadays isnt it ?
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Mupp3t wrote:i dont think they can afford to be in the market with that low quality boards anymore. to much competition nowadays isnt it ?
A valid argument, though I would guess too many people just look at the price tag, and if the board craps out right after warranty expires, it's a win situation for the company.

I will give another example, when the CDs were beginning to be marketed, advertisements promised that this medium would be able to hold the information stored on it for a lifetime - at least when handled properly. Competition led to a steady degradation of CDs and DVDs, especially the blank ones, and although the overall average lifespan may still be 5 years for these, some are shot as quickly as 1 year.

Wait a minute, Wolf, I have CDs from over 15 years ago!

Sure you have, first off, quality was better then, and secondly, the problem is not as bad on originally "pressed" CDs you buy in stores since the way information is preserved (actual physical increases and recesses to represent the bits instead of a flat surface a laser marked places as "burnt") is more stable. Obviously, original CDs are a bit less susceptible to environmental conditions, however, these mediums are still a composite medium and thus suboptimal, since the different materials have different chemical and physical attributes.

Competition has led to manufacturers use ever cheaper methods of manufacturing, reduced quality control and greater tolerances towards material flaws - since on that market, money is made over the MASS of sales, and people obviously won't bother trying to return burned CDs is an added plus in the sector...

I know for a fact that even quality responsible manufacturers simply limit their amount of quality control on a simple mathematical formula: the cost of one level of QUALITY CONTROL is measured against cost of expected RMA and replacement at that level of QUALITY CONTROL. If you increase QC, cost for QC goes up while cost for RMA goes down, however, at some point QC costs will rise more than RMA will decrease, so latest then (usually sooner) the limit is reached a manufacturer will bother about quality, because it's primary income is sales!

Yes, there are items which warrant zero fault tolerance... that's why space ships are so expensive.

Anyway... all of this is speculation if it applies to ASRock nowadays or in what measure. My point is simply "just because it looks good, it doesn't mean anything, and since ASRock was known for bad quality in the past, you might be extra wary nowadays and explicitly search for quality remarks in today's test-reports".

Absence of such information is usually not a good sign, because if it is good quality most manufacturers would not hesitate to use that as a sales-argument, on the other hand, if the manufacturer knows its wares are 2nd grade, it will simply leave away that info and concentrate on all the other good aspects the product has.

Just my 2 cents, keep an open eye ;)
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idd Wolf but what kind of boards are good to have so i know they where checkd for good quiality i mean if i would buy one?
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asus stays my favorite
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My current favorites for stability are:

1) MSI / TYAN (*Note 1)
2) ASUS
3) GIGABYTE (*Note 2)
4) ABit (*Note 3)

Note 1:
MSI Boards of the generation Socket 940, Socket AM2 and close relatives generally do not support custom RAID and SCSI controllers and thus make a poor choice as low budget server boards or hi-end desktops.
TYAN boards are mostly pure server boards which make poor desktops for design reasons, my personal experience with regards to stability and quality rates both equally though (despite the board I sent to Carnage having been toasted by the PSU).

Note 2:
GIGABYTE has only recently received better reviews of their boards regarding stability.

Note 3:
ABit seems to be dying. I can not find modern / recent boards for current CPUs on the market.

Low budget server recommendation: ASUS.
Low budget desktop recommendation: MSI.
Best compatibility rating (drivers): ABit.
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Btw, Asrock is the low-end production line of Asus (asustek)

http://www.techspot.com/news/3001-asroc ... cheap.html

Same factory's, different name.
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Yesterday I went home, specially to put all the parts together and see if it all worked :D

Damn this thing is sexy lol :D. Well everything new is, compared to my old pc, but still....its sexy! :D

To bad I can't play with it for 2 more weeks. Had to go back to the apartment after I finished installing Windows + updates :P. Can't wait till im back home again :D
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hehehehe we waiting for you ^_^
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Nice, NmS. You definitely deserve a new system. You've been struggling with your old one way to long now. I really hope you'll enjoy playing with it! ;-)
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Upcomming saturday i'll be home again for a couple of hours. I'll see if I can post some pictures of the beast :D

Don't have time to install and try UT2004 though. My mom is getting my old pc and she wants to have it asap. But i first need to transfer 400 GB of data from my old pc :D
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}TCP{Coco wrote:You've been struggling with your old one way to long now.
Not from a target point of view....

NmS wrote:But i first need to transfer 400 GB of data from my old pc :D
That should ideally take around 95 to 100 minutes... ;-)
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}TCP{Wolf wrote:
}TCP{Coco wrote:You've been struggling with your old one way to long now.
Not from a target point of view....
Haha lol. I doubt I will see a huge increase in my skills with my new computer. Just the action on my screen won't be much of a jittering mayhem :D. But we'll see in 2 more weeks ;)

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NmS wrote:But i first need to transfer 400 GB of data from my old pc :D
That should ideally take around 95 to 100 minutes... ;-)
What is the easiest way to do this?
Old HDD's are PATA and new ones are SATA, so I can't connect them to my new computer. Tried doing it over LAN, but that only gives me 10MB/s at most. That would take around 4-5 hours to complete :S

I got an USB stick of 4GB. Maybe that goes faster :P
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You mean the new board does not have PATA and only has SATA?

Then I recommend one of these...

http://cgi.ebay.de/Serial-ATA-PATA-IDE- ... 3a5eca3d8e

or

http://cgi.ebay.de/SATA-S-ATA-IDE-PATA- ... 5adebf4bc2

Be very careful when you pick one of these converters, because most of them are UNIDIRECTIONAL, and many of them are intended to use new S-ATA drives on old PATA boards (but you want the OPPOSITE). So this one

http://cgi.ebay.de/IDE-PATA-SATA-Adapte ... 35a8964f8c

would not work.

I have a few bidirectional ones but I'm not giving them away lol

Don't buy the first, the guy doesn't ship outside Germany, I just meant to demonstrate. The 2nd one would work explicitly, but I am not sure you would want to spend another 18 Euros + 14 Euros shipping to Holland (I would agree to buy it for 18 and ship it cheaper to you if you like but that will take too long). I'm sure you can find something on eBay.nl though yourself if this method is at all acceptable for you.
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