Personal Computer

[Marwin]

I think its time for a new PC, and want ask u all on this way what a good one is?
Its better to buy a ready PC or components?
Can we list here some basic information what a computer today should have?
Can we also take a look on the "price-performence-ratio", but i ll want to know too if there some good stuff, but a bit expensive?


TY for your help^^




Marwin

I ll post some stuff too, but not now.............
Oh crap i forgot, the new PC should be fit for UT3

[cleopatra]

fly to US or look at Ebay.com and look the price there dollar is like 1 euro = 1,60 dollar...

Van if you come to Europe let ne know!

[}TCP{Coco]

Hi!

I'm not really up to date at the moment, Marwin, but I think, one basic question you have to deal with is whether to buy a dual- or quad-core CPU.

Everybody thinking about it should be aware that 4 CPUs don't automatically mean a factor 4 in performance. In fact, this optimal value is never reached and even factors close to 4 can just be reached with perfect paralellization of the code.

The reality is that you get 4 CPUs (at maximal 3 GHz currently - correct me if I'm wrong) that must share the tasks as good as possible. But it's a hard problem to distribute the tasks to perform to all CPUs equally. Some programs will even use just 1 CPU, so your PC will be slower than a single core at 3.4 GHz, for example.

As far as I know, UT3 (as well as UT2004) just makes use of one CPU. But you will, however, still have an advantage with additional CPUs, because as long as you don't have a PhysX hardware card, the PhysX calculations have to be made in software. And this task will most likely be performed on another CPU than the one working on the main UT3 code.

For these two alone, 2 CPUs will be sufficient. More might come in handy when you're using TS or Skype parallel to playing. It might also be possible that the CPU part of DirectX may use another CPU, leaving more power to the ones working on UT3 and PhysX. But the question (which isn't easy to answer at all) is: What's faster? 4 slower CPUs or 2 faster CPUs? From what I heard until now, real fast dual core CPUs seem to be the better choice for UT2004 and UT3.

But there's one thing you shouldn't forget: There seems to be a limit reached in increasing the speed of a single core. So any further speed improvements can only be achieved by parallelization. Thus, future software will be forced to make use of multiple CPUs to be fast. I think, this will become more and more important with the time and future games (as well as the current ones) will have to take care of it.

So if you want a system which holds a certain potential for the coming years, I'd go for a quad core, even if it might be a little disadvantage for UT3 at the moment.

Coco.

[}TCP{Ghost]

UT3 uses dual core.. but not quad..

[partydevil]

nothing use c2q yet, it's only usefull for 3D design programes atm

[}TCP{Ghost]

actually.. crysis does use quad cores..

[}TCP{Coco]

Hi!

I'd be careful with statements like "nothing uses them". There are also packers and codecs (like DivX) making use of them.

But anyway, if you read my post, you know that I'm aiming at multitasking mainly. And especially if UT3 really makes use of 2 cores, a third one will be even more useful for the parallel PhysX calculations!

Coco.

[partydevil]

http://www.digitalbattle.com/2007/10/09 ... uirements/

Recommended System Requirements
OS ? Windows XP / Vista
Processor ? Intel Core 2 DUO @ 2.2GHz or AMD Athlon 64 X2 4400+
Memory ? 2.0 GB RAM
GPU ? NVIDIA GeForce 8800 GTS/640 or similar

crysis using c2d

[Marwin]

As far as I know, UT3 (as well as UT2004) just makes use of one CPU. But you will, however, still have an advantage with additional CPUs, because as long as you don't have a PhysX hardware card, the PhysX calculations have to be made in software. And this task will most likely be performed on another CPU than the one working on the main UT3 code.

Ok here the explane about PhysX Hardware.
Invidia bought AGEIA, and maybe the next generation of Nvidia cards included PhysX Hardware i dont know. But actually its hard to find PhysX cards for affordable prices.

I found one seller. U ll get a new one not used!!!!!! for a nice price........
He is in Austria

Here the link, and a pic of this card.

But thats isnt a important thing for me........u can also use software PhysX (but hardware acceleration is allways better).


Next post i ll beginn with Chassis and Mainbord.



Marwin

[}TCP{Coco]

Hi!

But actually its hard to find PhysX cards for affordable prices.

They're around 200 Euro, so almost everybody can afford them. The only thing is, most aren't willing to spend additional 200 Euro for their system. And I can perfectly understand that. I probably also wouldn't buy such a card, too. Instead, I'd go for more cores, that's what I was trying to explain before. A free CPU is like a universal chip in this case that can do the PhysX calculations for UT3 as well as something completely different in another application case.

As for NVidia buying PhysX, I think there will be hybrid cards available soon (similar to 2D / 3D graphics cards now - I remember times when I had a 2D card and an additional 3D acceleration card [Voodoo 1 PCI]), but of course they will also be more expensive. And considering the prices of powerful graphics cards as they're now, I'm not sure if I'm willing to pay that much for a hybrid card. But let's see what comes - only time will tell.

Coco.

[[COCO] Transpulsar]

I´ll tell you about my new PC.

Mainboard: Gigabyte P35 DS3
Proz: Petium E 2160
Graphic: Nvidia 8800 GT
Ram: 2 x Corsair XMS2
Cooling: Freon no, Arctic Freezer 7 pro

I could buy this very cheap, about 420 €.
And now the surprise: 3D Mark 2006 about 12000 points!
What do you want more? OK it´s oc to 2 x 3,1 gig... , but thats np! Atm you need no quad core. And if you someday need it, pfff the Pentium costs only 50 €, do it...

btw: forget PhysX, you don´t need it !

[Marwin]

Ok i found a good Mainboard now and i ll take it but dunno where atm.

I dont like when peoples say " I have bougt a dual core 3,0 ghz blah blah", when they cant say what maibord and other specification they have (i mean some importent like FSB, DDR2 or DDR3 support with what Mhz and how many GB, supporiting SATA2 and so on).

Here is the link to the Mainbord i mean.

Short specification:

supports:

-Pentium 4, 2 duo (and extreme), 2 quad (and extreme); 45 nm CPU
-1600 Mhz FSB
-4 Dimm max. 8 GB 1200 mhz ddr2 ram (EEC, non EEC unbuffered)
-2x PCIe 2.0 (full support x16, x16) - (ATI Crossfire)
-SATA2
-Formfactor ATX

It costs around 175.-


There is a better Mainbord 2 (ASUS Maximus EXTREME) but it supports DDR3 Ram`s and they r 2 expensive 4 me. This Mainbord costs around 230,-

I think a good mainboard is a good base for a nice Pc.




Marwin

[cleopatra]

http://www.komplett.nl/k/ki.aspx?sku=342074 actually i was looking for that one too it cost 190 euro in Holland !

and about extreme http://www.komplett.nl/k/ki.aspx?sku=343386 cost 233 euro!


Wolf can you get it cheaper??????

[Marwin]

Oh i forgot some important thing:
-support 64 Bit processor !!!


Here a price from an Astrian shop, dunno its the cheapest...........

http://www.esgv.at/index.php?a=4309



Marwin

[}TCP{Wolf]

Best price for

ASUS Maximus:
167,40 + 12,90 shipping = 180,30

ASUS Extreme:
224,- no shipping mentioned...

your prices are about average so not too bad. Not much point for me to order it and have it shipped off again, the increase in shipping would nullify the savings in price.