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Windows 7
Posted: Thu Oct 22, 2009 6:57 pm
by }TCP{Snowbird
What are your thoughts on the newest version of windows?
I was just reading an article that this newer version uses less memory and is worth the jump from XP for a cost of 119 Euros for an upgrade.
For vista users, it is not much worth the cost, unless you have an older computer.
I have a 2.66 GHZ Intel Pentium
1 gig ram
all kinds of hard drive space (thanks Wolf)
and a Radion 9700
I want to boost my system, but am not sure if it is worth it, yet.
Your opinions.... Frank
Posted: Thu Oct 22, 2009 7:16 pm
by m4ck3rz
less memory than XP ir Vista?
because if its less memory than XP its deffinately worth the upgrade, but if less memory than Vista and more than XP then i think its only worth it for some extra features, however, not sure it will enhance your gameplay

Posted: Thu Oct 22, 2009 10:50 pm
by Ronny.
what i find funny, is that they claimed vista was the new superb thing. So much better then evrything out their. Yet today its still like 70% is still using xp. Now that they announce their W7 they claim vista was a trial/error thing, that it was just an test and this is the real deal. lol
Tbh it would proaly just end up as an vista clone.
PS: Sry for my absence latly, family drama etc. Will be back shortly(hopefully)
Posted: Fri Oct 23, 2009 12:07 am
by }TCP{Ramses
I wouldn't "upgrade" from XP yet unless I had to, certainly not until the inevitable bugs had been stamped on

Then again, the only reason I "upgraded" to XP was that I couldn't get the drivers for Win98
Wouldn't spending the money on extra memory or something boost your system more Frank ?
Posted: Fri Oct 23, 2009 3:20 am
by }TCP{Snowbird
I agree on not buying 7 yet. I want to wait until it is at least 6 months old, and see how many "updates" it needs and what the reaction is from the users. I still like XP, and would only give it up, if 7 is really better.
What I really need, is a new system. The processor is still good/fast enough, but the built in grafic card is out of date. It only has 128 mb and I am looking into a 256 or 512 mb. With Christmas coming, I will bunker some $$$ and wait until after everything went down, and then buy a new system, with 7 maybe. Frank
Posted: Fri Oct 23, 2009 5:09 am
by rejecht
I've just used it a couple of days at work going straight from Vista Business to Windows 7 Professional. I used a new SATA-300 drive for Windows 7. The installation was quick. The startup is quick. The logon process is quick. W7 runs the same software as the Vista installation did (Office 2007 Enterprise). There's not enough time to tell how well it works, and it will take some getting used to the task bar, which I liked.
My overall impression is that's it's cleaner, more streamlined (no nagging welcome messages after you log in), and the first thing it did was check for updates. It maintains a new list over the programs you've run recently, and if you hover the mouse over those programs, another menu pops up showing the documents you opened recently in that program.
If you buy the OEM version, you get it cheaper, but it's bound to your mainboard, meaning you can change any part of the computer except the mainboard. These are traditional OEM licensing limitations.
PS: Hard disks are cheap. I installed Windows 7 on a new hard disk, disconnecting any other hard disk in the system first. (I always do a clean install. Upgrades usually involve too many variables to be 100 % successful, and might carry over problems, or not catch all of them meaning they are propagated.)
PPS: Memory is cheap. I didn't check memory use in W7, but I'd suggest 2 GiB.
PPPS: Windows 7 32-bit has the same memory limits as Windows XP and Vista:
http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library ... _windows_7
Posted: Fri Oct 23, 2009 5:21 am
by Mupp3t
I installed Windows 7 on several computers now. (ultimate)
works great. but,
has the same bullshit account management things. so takes some more time to configurate than xp. and windows 7 / vista can no way use less memory then xp cause u can tweak this xp to well quite barebone.
but as with all new OS its very vulnarable to virusses & trojans. though i havent encountered any that was not possible to remove after scanning (bitdefender 2010 ftw)
if u use vista, Upgrade.. its worth it. win7 is alot faster and better in use. supports ALOT of default drivers. it looks the same as vista. screens pop up from task bar if u hover over them, wich will take some time to get used, but is handy. only minor point i really found irritating is the network configs. u actually need to go to device manager to put the internet adapter off (jeah i know the ipconfig /release & renew) but still. got some more indirect settings. but, u can set it all. havent got any complaints yet. still happy users. also for older programs, theres an XPmodus available for download. u get an interface that is the same as xp, wich runs and supports everything ur xp would.
but buying, ? no way.. no OS is worth buying imo. dunno if i can say this: Just download ultimate (good version) and u can update etc without any problems or saying it expires.
on a side note. i still use xp on my computer. just because im to lazy to do my own computer as i have to do alot at others ^^
Posted: Fri Oct 23, 2009 6:04 am
by rejecht
Mupp3t wrote:also for older programs, theres an XPmodus available for download. u get an interface that is the same as xp, wich runs and supports everything ur xp would.
Yeah, it runs XP in Microsoft Virtual PC, but requires that you have an XP OEM license.
Mupp3t wrote:but buying, ? no way.. no OS is worth buying imo. dunno if i can say this: Just download ultimate (good version) and u can update etc without any problems or saying it expires.
hehe Use a free OS, then.. I'm not "paying for you."
Mupp3t wrote:on a side note. i still use xp on my computer. just because im to lazy to do my own computer as i have to do alot at others ^^
Yeah, I do that too, but it's so rare I upgrade my own system, so I wouldn't mind.

Posted: Fri Oct 23, 2009 7:05 am
by partydevil
i'm just hoping no1 will use windows7
this windows can be the start of the end of microsoft windows as OS
last year 17% of the xp users went to MAC (17% doesn't sound much but it's still a few million times €350)
and that line is still getting up
also next year comes google's own OS
so i hope windows OS is gonna get unpopulair
they made money enoufg allrdy whit there new OS evry 2 year
cause the one 2year earlyer bugs to much
even tho i use xp myself (cause i don't wanna learn new interfaces etc.)
Posted: Fri Oct 23, 2009 1:13 pm
by NmS
Haha lol partydevil. Strange reasoning you have to hope that noone will use windows 7

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The increase to Mac's is probably due their MacBooks, which are pretty nice and kind of a 'hot' item to have these days. But most people will just stick with a Windows OS. Mostly because what you stated at the end 'They don't want to learn how to use a different interface'.
However, the reason you say you hope windows is going to get impopulair beats me. Because they have earned to much money allready? With that same reasoning you might have to say that you don't want Google OS to be populair either (because hey, Google earnes a shitload of money as well). But you actually imply the opposite.
As long as Apple will keep their OS bound to their own hardware, Mac OS will never get as populair as Windows OS. Because people just buy more 'normal computers' then they buy Mac computers (because they are just quite expensive). Besides you are not forced to buy or use a Windows OS, you can always go use Linux or something which doesn't cost you a penny.
There is a reason why Windows OS is so populair, and that doesn't have all to do with the fact the are installed on OEM pc's by default. It's the fact that it works for the majority of people. There are plenty of alternatives for Windows, even free ones, but only a minority is using them. Check for some numbers at
http://www.w3schools.com/browsers/browsers_os.asp
I tried the beta a few months ago. Windows 7 is just awsome. It is what Vista should have been from the start and more. My pc is just a bit to slow to have it use all the time, but when I am going to buy a new pc, it will definitely have windows 7. There comes a time when you have to switch to a new OS. If not, we would be still using MS-DOS.
Posted: Fri Oct 23, 2009 1:28 pm
by partydevil
i know it wont work out, but let me hope =P
and yes google is evil 2, let's just hope they don't bring out buggy OS evry 2 year
and if mac becomes very populair then they are the evil ones =P
Posted: Fri Oct 23, 2009 3:40 pm
by }TCP{Snowbird
I think that NMS hit it on the head.
"There comes a time when you have to switch to a new OS. If not, we would be still using MS-DOS."
I really liked Win 98, and it was a stable system. When the brought out 2000 and the others, I tried them out, but very shortly.
I think Vista was one of the atempts to get some money in, or try out the users minds and see what they are looking for in a new OS. / may be the result of a trial and error with vista.
@ Reject. Thank you for the very detailed explaination. I think From your, and the other comments, I will get the OEM with my new computer. Frank
Posted: Fri Oct 23, 2009 4:20 pm
by laboRHEinz
yep, right: W7 won't boost your old system, but if you buy a new one, it should be W7. If not for other reasons, it's because XP doesn't support S-ATA-drives while installing and you will always have to mount a floppy or USB-drive... annoying!
I run W7 for a week now and it's stable, quick and easy to use. You may call it a bug-fix for Vista

Concerning MS earning money: I don't have a problem to pay 115 EUR for a piece of software hundreds or thousands of software engineers were working on

Posted: Fri Oct 23, 2009 5:07 pm
by Mupp3t
hmm laborheinz
New postPosted: Fri Oct 23, 2009 5:20 pm Post subject: Reply with quote
yep, right: W7 won't boost your old system, but if you buy a new one, it should be W7. If not for other reasons, it's because XP doesn't support S-ATA-drives while installing and you will always have to mount a floppy or USB-drive... annoying!
i got an slipstreamed xp, with nearly ALL s-ata& raid controllers etc. so.. that shouldnt be a problem.
installed on several raid configs.
not so hard to do.
@ rejecht,
Yeah, it runs XP in Microsoft Virtual PC, but requires that you have an XP OEM license.
well.. works fine, u can download the virtual pc too u know =p
Posted: Fri Oct 23, 2009 5:39 pm
by laboRHEinz
of course it's no problem, did it myself, too.
But first you have to HAVE that slipstreamed XP

So either you take XP, slipstream (or search and download) it and then install or just put in that W7-DVD - what's faster?

As well, to install Linux is no problem at all - you just have to handle those minor missing or buggy hardware driver issues, dozens of forum researches, missing software support etc. but in the end you would have spared time by installing that damn commercial and evil W7 (sry for beeing sarcastic

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