What I have never understood and no-one has been able to explain to me is .... how can we see back almost to the big bang ? We have been flying away from the explosion since it happened, but not at the speed of light (otherwise we would see nothing), so surely the image of the big bang would have passed us by long ago
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Hehe .... what makes my brain explode is when u get into quantum physics stuff ... multiply all that above by something like 13 dimensions, infinite co-existing universes (the word universe doesn't seem to fit anymore
), gravity leaking from a universe other than our own, time being a human invention and not really existing etc
What I have never understood and no-one has been able to explain to me is .... how can we see back almost to the big bang ? We have been flying away from the explosion since it happened, but not at the speed of light (otherwise we would see nothing), so surely the image of the big bang would have passed us by long ago
What I have never understood and no-one has been able to explain to me is .... how can we see back almost to the big bang ? We have been flying away from the explosion since it happened, but not at the speed of light (otherwise we would see nothing), so surely the image of the big bang would have passed us by long ago
I dont think there can see the big bang Rams.
But they can hear it,or the faint noise from it.
What is now being said,is what is stopping everything from flying off into space.
So they are calling it dark matter,something working against normal expanding universe.
Remember we only perceive 4 dimensions,so they is alot
more going on around us that we have no idea about.
If we all knew everything there is to know,life would be very boring.
But they can hear it,or the faint noise from it.
What is now being said,is what is stopping everything from flying off into space.
So they are calling it dark matter,something working against normal expanding universe.
Remember we only perceive 4 dimensions,so they is alot
more going on around us that we have no idea about.
If we all knew everything there is to know,life would be very boring.
Hi Ramses!
In quantum physics, the main problem is that you have to deal with probabilities because of the limitations of observability. This leads to strange situations like the famous mind experiment called Schroedingers Katze / Schroedinger's Cat.
The physicists have the big problem that both of the important theories, the Quantum Theory on the one hand and the General Theory of Relativity on the other hand, are limited to their own scopes. The first is valid for very small dimensions, the latter for the big dimensions. But whenever the scope of one theory is shifted towards the other, its rules no longer apply. For example, the so called singularities from the Theory of Relativity are impossible in the Quantum Theory.
Therefore, scientists search for a more general theory that combines both of the others, which thereby become parts of the new one and can be derived from it. Meanwhile, there are several new theories, all candidates for this main theory (also called "theory of everything"). The only problem is that they're not practically verifiable at this time. One of the most promising candidates is the so called Superstring Theory, which postulates ultra short strings instead of singularities and thus solves the problem for the quantum theory that can not deal with something having no extent at all.
But the Superstring Theory uses 10, 11 or 26 dimensions (there are several models and right now it's not clear which one is applicable). While the first three are those we know from real life, and the fourth is the time, the extra dimensions are also called compactified dimensions. I think, this is what you meant, isn't it, Ramses?
And with this, we have a direct link to your question. Why is this background image from the beginning only visible in the microwave spectrum? It was visible light with a wavelength of 380-780 nanometers when is was emitted, but we see it as microwave radiation with a wavelength of 0.2-900 millimeters. That means that the waves were stretched by a factor of approximately 1 million compared to their original length. The reason for this, and also the answer to your question, Ramses, is the expansion of space. While the light traverses space towards our planet, the way that is has to go becomes longer all the time. And because the room expands everywhere at the same time, the waves themselves are also being stretched. In the visible spectrum this means that the color of light is shifted from blue towards red. This is why astronomers call this phenomenon "red shift", even if a wavelength is being shifted far below the visible spectrum.
Current measures state that the expansion rate of the universe is something about 72km per second per megaparsec. That means that two points in space with a distance of 3.26 lightyears towards each other move 72km away from each other every second. The expansion rate is cumulative (i.e. two objects with a distance of 2 mpc move away from each other with 144km per second, etc.). That means the greater the distance of an object, the faster it moves away from us.
Coco.
Hehe... you're mixing up a few things there.}TCP{Ramses wrote:Hehe .... what makes my brain explode is when u get into quantum physics stuff ... multiply all that above by something like 13 dimensions, infinite co-existing universes (the word universe doesn't seem to fit anymore), gravity leaking from a universe other than our own, time being a human invention and not really existing etc
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The physicists have the big problem that both of the important theories, the Quantum Theory on the one hand and the General Theory of Relativity on the other hand, are limited to their own scopes. The first is valid for very small dimensions, the latter for the big dimensions. But whenever the scope of one theory is shifted towards the other, its rules no longer apply. For example, the so called singularities from the Theory of Relativity are impossible in the Quantum Theory.
Therefore, scientists search for a more general theory that combines both of the others, which thereby become parts of the new one and can be derived from it. Meanwhile, there are several new theories, all candidates for this main theory (also called "theory of everything"). The only problem is that they're not practically verifiable at this time. One of the most promising candidates is the so called Superstring Theory, which postulates ultra short strings instead of singularities and thus solves the problem for the quantum theory that can not deal with something having no extent at all.
But the Superstring Theory uses 10, 11 or 26 dimensions (there are several models and right now it's not clear which one is applicable). While the first three are those we know from real life, and the fourth is the time, the extra dimensions are also called compactified dimensions. I think, this is what you meant, isn't it, Ramses?
Well, first of all, we can't really see back to the big bang, but approximately until 300000 years after the big bang. The reason is that because of its heat and density, the universe was not transparent for light in the first 300000 years. The first picture of the universe that we can see from that time is the famous Cosmic Microwave Background Radiation.}TCP{Ramses wrote:What I have never understood and no-one has been able to explain to me is .... how can we see back almost to the big bang ? We have been flying away from the explosion since it happened, but not at the speed of light (otherwise we would see nothing), so surely the image of the big bang would have passed us by long ago
And with this, we have a direct link to your question. Why is this background image from the beginning only visible in the microwave spectrum? It was visible light with a wavelength of 380-780 nanometers when is was emitted, but we see it as microwave radiation with a wavelength of 0.2-900 millimeters. That means that the waves were stretched by a factor of approximately 1 million compared to their original length. The reason for this, and also the answer to your question, Ramses, is the expansion of space. While the light traverses space towards our planet, the way that is has to go becomes longer all the time. And because the room expands everywhere at the same time, the waves themselves are also being stretched. In the visible spectrum this means that the color of light is shifted from blue towards red. This is why astronomers call this phenomenon "red shift", even if a wavelength is being shifted far below the visible spectrum.
Current measures state that the expansion rate of the universe is something about 72km per second per megaparsec. That means that two points in space with a distance of 3.26 lightyears towards each other move 72km away from each other every second. The expansion rate is cumulative (i.e. two objects with a distance of 2 mpc move away from each other with 144km per second, etc.). That means the greater the distance of an object, the faster it moves away from us.
Coco.
Hi Slaphead!
Just shortly now (the previous post was already way too long). The Dark Matter was only postulated and its existance is not proved until today. The reason why scientists believe that it exists is, as you wrote correctly, that the high rotation speed in the outer regions of our galaxy, the milkyway, are impossible without the existance of far more matter than we can observe there. That means that the gravity of just the observable matter wouldn't be strong enough to hold the stars in our galaxy while they rotate at this high speed. They would fly away.
While we are at it, these days scientists also postulate something they call Dark Energy. They did so, because recent observations state that the expansion rate of the universe (see my previous post) is increasing over the time. Before this finding, exactly the opposite was supposed to be, because the gravity of matter should slow down the expansion over the time. There's no explanation for an acceleration of the expansion and that's why there has to be a force countering gravitation, which the physicists call Dark Energy, because it is neither observable nor directly measurable (just similar to the Dark Matter).
Currently, scientists believe that the universe consists of approximately 74% Dark Energy, 21% Dark Matter and just 5% visible matter as we know it.
Coco.
Just shortly now (the previous post was already way too long). The Dark Matter was only postulated and its existance is not proved until today. The reason why scientists believe that it exists is, as you wrote correctly, that the high rotation speed in the outer regions of our galaxy, the milkyway, are impossible without the existance of far more matter than we can observe there. That means that the gravity of just the observable matter wouldn't be strong enough to hold the stars in our galaxy while they rotate at this high speed. They would fly away.
While we are at it, these days scientists also postulate something they call Dark Energy. They did so, because recent observations state that the expansion rate of the universe (see my previous post) is increasing over the time. Before this finding, exactly the opposite was supposed to be, because the gravity of matter should slow down the expansion over the time. There's no explanation for an acceleration of the expansion and that's why there has to be a force countering gravitation, which the physicists call Dark Energy, because it is neither observable nor directly measurable (just similar to the Dark Matter).
Currently, scientists believe that the universe consists of approximately 74% Dark Energy, 21% Dark Matter and just 5% visible matter as we know it.
Coco.
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Yes superstring, red shift and 95% spooky dark things that must be there but can't be seen
Why people invent conspiracy theories and voodoo stuff when all that is going on beats me
I guess the maths must add up, and I know that acceleration was massive in the first few seconds, but even so its still hard for me to understand how we can still see back to 300,000 years AB. Even if we are picking up echoes from objects on the opposite side of the universe they would only be 600,000 years distant when the signmal headed back towards us. Compared with the age of the universe (20 billion years ? American small billions ?)
Light travels at um 2,997,924 Km per second per Wiki (personally I think Napoleon only invented Km to make France seem bigger
), so 72 km per mpc doesnt seem that much. Distance wise the universe is said to be 78 billion light years (Wiki again you will be glad to know, Kay
), but how big was it at 300,000 years AB ? Presumably less than 600,000 light years ?? Aaaaaaargh my brain is leaking again
Now I'm off to a dark corner to ponder why I can see the big bang noise on my untuned tv
I guess the maths must add up, and I know that acceleration was massive in the first few seconds, but even so its still hard for me to understand how we can still see back to 300,000 years AB. Even if we are picking up echoes from objects on the opposite side of the universe they would only be 600,000 years distant when the signmal headed back towards us. Compared with the age of the universe (20 billion years ? American small billions ?)
Light travels at um 2,997,924 Km per second per Wiki (personally I think Napoleon only invented Km to make France seem bigger
Now I'm off to a dark corner to ponder why I can see the big bang noise on my untuned tv
Hi Ramses!
Well, just think about it. 72km/mpc/sec may sound few, but count this up to the distance.
Maybe the following is more helpful: Today, I read that there are still 400 photons left from the Cosmic Microwave Background Radiation in every cubic centimeter of the universe!
So it shouldn't be so hard to see at all, right?
Coco.
Well, just think about it. 72km/mpc/sec may sound few, but count this up to the distance.
Maybe the following is more helpful: Today, I read that there are still 400 photons left from the Cosmic Microwave Background Radiation in every cubic centimeter of the universe!
So it shouldn't be so hard to see at all, right?
Coco.
i was just cleaning my hd, when i found this gif i made some years ago. it was a bug in mortal comgat 4, that made the figures show up wrong in the fatality sequence. luckly, i had a screen capture program runnin, that made 1. frame, for the second one, i used the built-in windows paint. the delay between the frames was just right to make this (in my opinion) funny animation :]
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