Truth and trust

Marwin · Post by **Marwin** » Thu Jun 23, 2011 1:23 pm

At the begin i will tell a old adage from the Caucasus.

"Who say at all times the truth need a always saddled horse."

Marwin

What do you think about this points, what one is more important?

NmS · Post by **NmS** » Thu Jun 23, 2011 3:39 pm

Telling the truth at all times is not what makes you trustworthy.

The most easiest example that I can come up with is the following scenario: Presume you live in the second world war and you are giving some Jews shelter in a secret room of your house. German soldiers come at your door and ask if there are any Jews in your house. The Jews trust you that you will not tell the truth. If you do tell the truth, then you are not trustworthy for the Jews.

Ergo, always telling the truth is not always desirable and you should not link truth to trust. They are both complete different things. So you should ask what is Trust? Obviously Truth isn't part of it

Apollo · Post by **Apollo** » Thu Jun 23, 2011 7:44 pm

I like how Nms thinks.

}TCP{Wackey` · Post by **}TCP{Wackey`** » Thu Jun 23, 2011 9:08 pm

Mr phylosopher..

NmS · Post by **NmS** » Thu Jun 23, 2011 9:40 pm

Haha indeed

}TCP{TrÃ¸nec. · Post by **}TCP{TrÃ¸nec.** » Thu Jun 23, 2011 10:06 pm

Apo, try sitting in one car with him and talk about that kind of stuff!
This guy is freaky smart when it comes to that shit! =P

Apollo · Post by **Apollo** » Thu Jun 23, 2011 10:26 pm

It's just a good point. :p

}TCP{Predator · Post by **}TCP{Predator** » Thu Jun 23, 2011 10:49 pm

telling truth is a lifetime challenge lately, cause in most cases it hurts,,,,,,,,
and trust is somethin u try 2 earn 4 your whole lifetime, wery few ppl in our lives can earn your trust, and oposite..
telling truth 2 earn trust makes ppl come friends but same truth at same times makes enemies 2......
my opinion

Marwin · Post by **Marwin** » Fri Jun 24, 2011 12:24 am

}TCP{Predator wrote:telling truth is a lifetime challenge lately, cause in most cases it hurts,,,,,,,,
and trust is somethin u try 2 earn 4 your whole lifetime, wery few ppl in our lives can earn your trust, and oposite..
telling truth 2 earn trust makes ppl come friends but same truth at same times makes enemies 2......
my opinion

So damn true.

Nms have also right, but i wasnt in any war, so it havent any truth 4 me.

I would like at this point ask Coco a question?
You have rly much experience with Carhith.

If you make a mistake and you know if u say that Carhith, then that will hurts her very hard.
What will you do in such situation?

From me i can only say, i am a truth human. Thats have a easy reason:
I am a bad liar! I get allways red if i do that, and if someone make the eye contact test, then its all over

Nobody is perfekt, sometimes i forget simply some things if i should tell the truth, and then it looks like a lie, or if u tell the truth from a other veiwpoint as in a other situation then it looks again like a lie.

I need a always saddled horse........

And if I would come in such a second world war situation.......
....i think I would be the first of all with a bullet in the head.

Marwin

}TCP{Coco · Post by **}TCP{Coco** » Fri Jun 24, 2011 12:51 pm

Marwin wrote:I would like at this point ask Coco a question?
You have rly much experience with Carhith.

If you make a mistake and you know if u say that Carhith, then that will hurts her very hard.
What will you do in such situation?

I have to be careful with my answer since she's reading the forum as well.

But nah, I know she always tries to understand when I explain my reasons for acting as I did. On the other side, I always try not to act wrong or stupid and tell her the truth, which avoids uncomfortable situations later on. You know, telling the truth, even if you fear the consequences, also is a sign of trust. However, if I knew it would really hurt her and she'd be better off not knowing about it, I'd probably consider keeping it for myself, rather than come up with some weird explanation. Luckily, that wasn't necessary so far.

Apollo · Post by **Apollo** » Fri Jun 24, 2011 2:16 pm

I have to be careful with my answer since she's reading the forum as well.
lol Coco.

NmS · Post by **NmS** » Fri Jun 24, 2011 3:48 pm

Marwin wrote: Nms have also right, but i wasnt in any war, so it havent any truth 4 me.

My example isn't about the war. Saying you weren't in any war and therefore dismissing the example, only shows you failed to see the point I was making.

The point I was trying making with that example was that you cannot link the notion of Trust to the notion of Truth. Trust is something completely different.

Trust is needed to form relationships and allows you to depend on others. One obvious example is love or advice from a friend, but also a surgeon who operates on your heart. You trust him that he will fix you and that he doesn't make any mistakes or even kill you.

So Trust also involves the risk that people we trust will not pull through for us. That is the funny thing of Trust. If there were some guarantee that they would pull through, then we would have no need to trust them. What we risk while trusting others is the loss of the things that we entrust to them.

Because Trust doesn't give any guarantee, you feel this feeling of uncertainty. But that is life. Nothing is certain in this world. Everything is probability. It is probable that some things go this way or that, but it is not certain. There is always a slight chance that it could be the other way. Life is all about calculation. And because we do not know all the variables of Life, the world, the universe or whatever you want to call it, all calculations are mere estimations.

Like Coco said, in a relationship it is not needed to always tell the truth. Sometimes the truth will do more wrong then good. Note that I hereby do not mean you need to tell a lie. You just need to estimate if telling the truth will help you or not

Marwin · Post by **Marwin** » Sun Jun 26, 2011 10:05 am

NmS wrote:
The point I was trying making with that example was that you cannot link the notion of Trust to the notion of Truth. Trust is something completely different.

I know that the notion is different. You show the absolute.
But in a relationship it becomes a link, this is the relative.

I see the example with the doctor who operates you on the heart from a other side.
The most people wanna survive such situations, where is the option what u can take.....there is no one, so u have to operate or to die. Simple thing.
That mean i dont have to trust himself, i only have to trust his ability.

The other side:
In my special case, my doc did a bad job if I view back. But in every special timepoint he wanted only the best for me, i am sure at this point.
That mean, i really trust himself and that he mean all things good to me and for me, but i have really troubles to trust his abilities anymore.

But thats other views, i wanted to know only in relating of relationships.

I couldnt do that like Schwarzenegger, to life with a lie 13 years long, WTF!
What when he died inbetween?
He would die with a lie.......

Cognition:
That mean i am again the stupid, because i am a truth human. Thats the reason why i never had and will have a relationship. Telling allways the truth means never get trust. All things i made was wrong.

I hate this fkn world so damn.

menace · Post by **menace** » Mon Jun 27, 2011 1:31 pm

ok ill tell u all a truth but is going to hurt or maybe u all will hate melater for it but here it comes

i freaking miss u all

so take it how u like it!!!

}TCP{TrÃ¸nec. · Post by **}TCP{TrÃ¸nec.** » Mon Jun 27, 2011 2:10 pm

*vomits*
Oluja, never say those things here!!!!

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